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cartoonmayhem @ 11:05 am: Religious Freedom in America: oxymoron?
The American attitude towards religious freedom, lately, has been on shaky grounds. The whole 1993 Waco fiasco, the government lying about setting the compound on fire and needlessly killing the residents.
Does anybody remember how David Koresh, the group's leader used to go jogging every day and regularly reported to the police department. Yes, he was a nutjob, but their pretext of raiding the compound on a weapon's charge turned out to be a boondoggle.

Now once again the government has raided another Texas compound, a fundamentalist Mormon group, and taken all the children away after receiving an anonymous child abuse tip that the government has failed to back up.

There are two strikes against them: some of the mothers are underage and bigamy is against the law.

But, do you think the government goes too far in raiding religious groups and breaking them apart? All the children are being put in foster homes and the mothers are distraught. Was that fair?

What do you think they can do to us? Do you think there is any reason why the government would target Heathenry and what would be the "charges?"

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From:mdehners
Date:April 28th, 2008 06:38 pm (UTC)
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Well, I spent my teen yrs around these folks in S. Utah. I used to have to "deal" with Adopted Dineh girls who were hysterical every Monday because they beleived that they would have awakened "White and Delightsome.". I used to watch girls start disappearing in 7th Grade to get "Sealed in the Temple". When I graduated, there were three girls left in our class. They were all Christian. Some of them "ran away", yet no one ever went looking for them. Personally, I do not Beleive that all religions are Equal or even Good. As Toxic as the LDS CHurch is to anyone not a White Het Male they are cuddly compared to these folks. There are unmarked graves all over S. Utah and not all skeletons are from "Undocumented" Migrants....
But Hey! It's all One, Right?
Truth,
Patrick Thomas Duffy
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From:cartoonmayhem
Date:May 2nd, 2008 12:22 am (UTC)
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I've heard about that violent sect in Utah and if you are not a white straight male then you suffer. For some reason this sect really hates girls. Then don't forget the space age suicide groups, the Applegate guy. Jim Jones, remember him? Moved his herd to Guyana like sheep to a slaughter. Which turned out to be more literal than anyone cares to remember.
It's odd that you mention the disappearing girls just as the Fritzl scandal was uncovered in Austria.
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From:mdehners
Date:May 2nd, 2008 11:27 am (UTC)
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This is another reason why I don't subscribe to the "All Religions are One or Good" dreck. Some religions are simply Wrong or Dangerous. That's why I don't Beleive in Exemptions due to religion to secular Laws. Killing, Abuse, Discrimination,etc that is wrong for a secular business or person should be as well for a religious one. There's been a number of dead kid stories in our local paper lately due to the religious Beleifs of their parents, from "exorcisms gone bad" to "praying away illness". You can worship a deity that requires you to shove pinapples up your bum as far as I care, just don't force one up your kid's hiney in the name of "religous freedom" or "diversity"....
Truth,
Pat
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From:mdehners
Date:April 28th, 2008 07:46 pm (UTC)
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I admit to be prejudiced against this group. In the mid 70's my family worked for the BLM in Predator control. Dad flew their hunters in his helicopter, Mom drove the fuel truck and I fueled. That yr our contract was for an area SE of St George. They treated my Mom like very poorly, to put it in a polite manner. Personally? I think every FLDS kid should be removed and at worst handed over to an LDS family then Put down the rest. These folks if they weren't Isolationist and expecting "Father-In-Heaven" to do the job would make Islamic Terrorists look like Bay Area Peace Activists...
Truth,
PTD
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From:cartoonmayhem
Date:May 2nd, 2008 12:25 am (UTC)
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More and more is coming out about this group, but it should be the men who should be prosecuted for their abominations towards the children of both sexes. The mothers are brainwashed sheeple. If anything happens to them it should be deprogramming. But I don't know if separating the children from their mothers was that good an idea.
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From:mdehners
Date:May 2nd, 2008 11:20 am (UTC)
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Setting aside that many of these women helped abuse children(if no Abused them themselves) or that the men were "programmed" no less than the women(a vagina doesn't mean an automatic victim "card",no more than a penis = Villain, BTW) one of the reasons they have been pushing the DNA samples is because you can't tell who belongs to whom. These kids are basically raised in creches, traded between homes to bind families and contracts. Just because a kid was taken from House A and it contained Mom's 1 through 6 doesn't mean that a particular child is biolologically theirs. A big problem they're going to find is that DNA isn't going to be as helpful since these folks have been mating with relatives for more than a century...
Truth,
Pat
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From:cartoonmayhem
Date:May 12th, 2008 03:06 pm (UTC)
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That may be one of the reasons they are so easily brainwashed. Too much cousin matching. Just like the Royal Family.
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